Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair

His complete statement:

I would like to reiterate that I deeply regret my comments yesterday and say again that they were in no way authorized by Senator Clinton or the Clinton campaign. Senator Clinton has been running a positive campaign focused on the issues that matter to America's families. She is the best qualified to be the next President of the United States because she can lead starting on day one. I made a mistake and in light of what happened, I have made the personal decision that I will step down as the Co-Chair of the Hillary for President campaign. This election is too important and we must all get back to electing the best qualified candidate who has the record of making change happen in this country. That candidate is Hillary Clinton.

I'm not sure how I feel about this move. It really seems to me that this and Clinton's personal apology earlier today may be extending this story. This is another indicator of the fact that the Clinton campaign has become spooked by Obama's rise in the polls.
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Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down (none / 0)

Obviously he made a comment that was taken the wrong way and hype by Obama supporters. Was it out of line? I don't think so, he made a valid point. Republicans are ruthless and would use everything against us to win, even if it is untrue.

This is not the best time to have someone resign from such an important position, but it is time to move on.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:24:25 PM EST

Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down (none / 0)

I do think that his statement was out of line yesterday, but I think his apology was sufficient. It was clear that he made a stupid mistake, everyone should have moved on. This resignation was a mistake and extends the story into the next news cycle.


by Obama08 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:28:07 PM EST
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Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down (none / 0)

how about she did what she thought was right


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:36:38 PM EST
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How about.... (none / 0)

In what three demensional "here" world do you live?

Hillary Hacks have lost any remote grasp on reality they MIGHT have had.

Mark "Merchant of Death" Penn's TEAM "INEVITABLE" is a joke.

This is not the 1990's.  Maybe, just maybe, you should consider that.


The bold progressive leader is the most electable candidate. Reclaim the Democratic Party! Support John Edwards.
by Michael 4 Edwards on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:49:14 PM EST
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Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down (none / 0)

I'm sure she did what her teams though was right, I just disagree.


by Obama08 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:52:05 PM EST
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Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down (none / 0)

Yeah, he made a valid point. Obama is a drug dealer!


Democrats Against Hillary
by wahoopaul on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 05:22:49 PM EST
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hllrys campaign cant talk about (1.00 / 1)

why obama is unelectable -

but every dem who understands this MUST make this their DUTY.
----

It would be so easy for the GOP - here's the initial Obama radio topic rundown:

-the man wants to BAN making guns

-the man wans to BAN  selling guns

-the man wants to BAN - YOU owning guns

-hes against the death penalty

-he wants to let crackheads out of jail - NOW!

-he wants to let illegal aliens on your roads to kill your kids

-he wants to let MORE illegals into the USA to lower your wages

-he smoked pot

-he snorted cocaine

-he took extasy

-he was in the same room as 'HEROIN"!

-he wants to raise YOUR taxes by 1 TRILLION bucks!        

-he was a college instructor/professor/lefty

-he was/is a HARVARD lawyer

-he IS the chicago Daley machine

-Rezko!

-the company his wife is on the board of - killed a town

-he goes to a church who's rector hates whites

-his brothers are both in the nation of islam

-Rezko, Rezko, Rezko!

-his wife got a $200 G raise from a Hospital when he got elected

-his grandma has no electric or water-and he seems ok with that

-his first name is "barack"

-his middle name is "hussein"

-his last name is "obama"

-he doesnt LOOK like you

-he is a liberal democrat

-he is a radical

-wall street financiers like him - why?

- who the heck were his parents, grandparents, his "people"

-as a kid he seems to have told everyone he would 1 day be prez

-he says he's of a "new kind of politics" but his history says NO

-at harvard he seems to have told everyone that1 day he'd be prez

-Young Hollywood likes him

-will smith says hes gonna be the NEXT black Prez

-he told his future brother in law on the FIRST day he met him that 1  day he would be prez

-OPRAH!

-how can he understand YOUR lives?

-he sends his kids to fancy schools you couldnt afford

-the 1st day he was in the senate he had a meeting about how to set a plan to 1 day become the president

-he says he's experienced enough for the WH because he "studied" international relations in college.

-he says he's experienced enough for th WH because he lived in indonsia when he was six

-he actually said those last two things with a straight face.

-can he be trusted to stop the muslims who want to kill your kids

-who IS this guy. really?


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Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:32:24 PM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

Please don't concern troll or hijack my thread.


by Obama08 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:41:16 PM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

its my opinion and i have a right to it.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:46:46 PM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

first, hillary has taken multiple anti-gun stances.

second,

-wall street financiers like him - why?

au contraire, wall streeet financiers love hillary. why? quid pro quo. bill clinton passed banking deregulation that benefited their interests. they also got rich from nafta and trade with china. media interests got rich and become more powerful when clinton passed the telecom bill. no doubt about it, wall street love hillary.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:34:47 PM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

There's no "au contraire" about it.  Both Clinton and Obama have significant funding from Wall Street.  If you think Wall Street fears Obama you're flat-out deluded.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 12:25:06 AM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

rather, republicans are itching to play their philanderer/rape card with a hillary nominee.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:38:34 PM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

didnt/wont work

only works with scumbag dickhead naderite dumbshits


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 10:43:58 PM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

go for the cheapshot because you couldn't refute the wallstreet argument. now we know who really loves hillary.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 10:53:09 PM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

rape?

go fuck yourself.

im done playing with your stupid naderite ass.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 11:24:15 PM EST
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Re: hllrys campaign cant talk about (none / 0)

just as ridiculous as your list.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 11:57:36 PM EST
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Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (none / 0)

It really seems to me that this and Clinton's personal apology earlier today may be extending this story. This is another indicator of the fact that the Clinton campaign has become spooked by Obama's rise in the polls.

- How about , She did what she felt was the right thing to do .

She called Obama to personally apologize and got the guy to step down. I would think any reasonable person would applaud that.

Just yesterday a few of obama supporters on this site were bringing the racial angle into it , now she does what she feels is appropriate and it is somehow her being spooked.

She had a great performance at the debate tonight and its going to put her back in her stride.

End of story.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:34:47 PM EST

Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (none / 0)

I never pushed for his resignation. I thought that it was an inappropriate comment. I'm not hitting Hillary on this, I'm simply giving my read of this resignation.

She did have a decent debate.


by Obama08 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:38:41 PM EST
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Loose the Attitude! (1.66 / 3)

Don't come in my diary with your attitude Obama08. You freaking Barry supporters act like you have a lock on this dumb ass story.  Obviously, I didn't see your diary. You put up your diary at 4:21 p.m., mine went up at 4:26 p.m. The purpose of your diary is to make a mockery out of HRC, I get it. But let's be clear, don't you ever come at me a f&^%ing attitude. You'll regret it!


by lonnette33 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:35:41 PM EST

Re: Loose the Attitude! (none / 0)

Lonnette, one of the things we try to do in the blogs is respect other bloggers. I wasn't coming into your diary with attitude, I was informing you that this had been diaried and you ought to take down your diary on the subject. It is a reasonable request.

What is the threat that "you'll regret it" suggests?


by Obama08 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:40:19 PM EST
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Re: Loose the Attitude! (none / 0)

Your attempts at being diplomatic have not gone unnoticed. I would have removed the diary if you had respected my opinion as well. Obviously, we will agree to disagree.


by lonnette33 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:45:17 PM EST
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Re: Loose the Attitude! (none / 0)

What opinion did I disrespect?


by Obama08 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:50:55 PM EST
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Re: Loose the Attitude! (none / 0)

It's lose, not loose.


by reasonwarrior on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:46:12 PM EST
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Re: Loose the Attitude! (none / 0)

I didn't correct Lonnette because I didn't think it would be polite, but thanks!


by Obama08 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:50:07 PM EST
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what?! (none / 0)

lord - some of the things you have written to me!!!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:34:30 PM EST
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Re: Loose the Attitude! (none / 0)

Ha ha ha! So bitter! Perhaps you realize that this story is BURYING your candidate in New Hampshire. I mean...she can't recover from this. EVER. She'll always be the candidate who called her opponent a drug dealer.


Democrats Against Hillary
by wahoopaul on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 05:24:58 PM EST
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Re: Loose the Attitude! (2.00 / 1)

I think you ought to cool it on the triumphalism just a wee bit.  Who knows, maybe you're right, but saying it doesn't make it so.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:27:21 PM EST
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Re: Loose the Attitude! (none / 0)

She'll always be the candidate who called her opponent a drug dealer.

and a kindergarten stalker.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:41:33 PM EST
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Clinton Co-Chair (2.00 / 1)

What he said was true- but didn't need to be said from someone from her campaign- first, I'd say people have already factored in what the republicans will say about his drug-past- and 2nd, if her campaign gets to talk about that, then Obama should be able to openly talk about the Monica-Bill scandal, which people would cry 'foul' over.  I think he should have stepped down, obviously though that is just 'officially'- I'm sure he'll still be helping.


by reasonwarrior on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:51:03 PM EST

Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (2.00 / 1)

I'm beginning to think of this like Kerry's botched joke. I don't think he meant it the way it was received, but nevertheless, once it's out there you ought to disappear and stop being in the news.

This round goes to Obama, I think, but will probably be only one ripple in the ocean of the campaign.


by OrangeFur on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 04:53:00 PM EST

"It couldn't have gone off smoother if this (none / 0)

had been planned..."

Funny how you can't unring a bell or "put the genie back in the bottle"

Smooth alright.

Just another example of how "fun"politics can be.

Snark intended.


by merbex on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 05:01:42 PM EST

Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (none / 0)

I don't even pretend to know why Matthews does what he does.


by Obama08 on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 05:15:09 PM EST

Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (2.00 / 1)

Let's not be naive and inexperienced.  We all know what this was and why they were very happy to have Wolf Blitzer inject this into the post-debate conversations.  And we all know that despite public outcry, negative campaigning works.


by Piuma on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 05:20:30 PM EST

Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (none / 0)

Some negative campaigning works. But, on the rare occasion that you step over the line and call your opponent a drug dealer, it typical doesn't work. Ha ha ha! This is so great for Obama.


Democrats Against Hillary
by wahoopaul on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 05:29:20 PM EST
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Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (none / 0)

Obama supporters want you to talk about it! It's amazing! It's the gift from heaven! God bless Bill Shaheen. He just gave the election to Obama.


Democrats Against Hillary
by wahoopaul on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 05:27:01 PM EST

Re: The Tryanny of Victimhood (none / 0)

Barack: See my wound, I'm bleeding, Hillary hit me, look, look, do you see it? can you see the blood?  Its red right, bright cherry red. Call the cops, no, call Chris Matthews, call Mika, call the MSM. Look, did you see what Hillary just did?  I would hit her back but I'm too busy showing off my wound. Mika, Chris go get Hillary, yeah beat her up. Serves her right.

Boy talk about a passive/aggressive would be president, as if we have not had enough of George. Barack does the beautiful victim so well he rivals the Brazilian soccer team in feigning hurt and pain on the campaign soccer pitch. At least Hillary took her own goal well, like a man, she apologized and moved on.


by superetendar on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:15:35 PM EST

Re: The Tryanny of Victimhood (2.00 / 1)


looks to me like he's burying her without breaking a sweat, and using her foolish behavior as a fund raiser while others descibe her demise. Looks to me that you're trying to turn Hillary into the victim when her camp has been slinging mud and trying to woof up a fight for the last 3 weeks.
by jazzyjay on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:40:33 PM EST
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Re: The Tryanny of Victimhood (none / 0)

who does obama think he is, protesting being accused a drug dealer. why doesn't he let hillary walk all over him like a good democrat should.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:48:10 PM EST
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Re: The Tryanny of Victimhood (none / 0)

Walk? Hillary just step on his toe. The Republican's will be doing the walking. In the meantime Barack is selling off them bandages from his Hillary encounter. Oh well, there will always be souvenirs at the end.


by superetendar on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 02:15:25 PM EST
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Re: The Tryanny of Victimhood (none / 0)

bandages? you mean the kneepads hillary wore when she got on her knees and groveled at obama's feet begging for forgiveness - is what will be valued as souvenir items.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 08:35:46 AM EST
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Re: This PC will NOT fly in the General ! (none / 0)

The same people who criticized Hillary for playing the gender card were very quick to whip out the race card in this instance.

I'm not so sure that the Republicans will be able to get away with the Hussein thing quite as easily as you expect.  Earlier in the campaign the GOP kind of brought that out as a trial balloon and they got called on it by the media.  It was too obvious.  You have to at least have a plausible non-racist explanation.  So we might have seen the end of that tactic, who knows.

But in general, I think this comment makes a good point.  In the general election, you don't get to make the argument "they're only suggesting I'm a drug dealer because I'm black."  Non-liberal voters are desensitized to accusations of racism, for better or for worse, and they're not going to buy it unless it's flagrantly obvious.

It is very, very hard to shame the Republicans.  We all have to keep that in mind.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 06:26:08 PM EST

Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (none / 0)

If this was a trial balloon of how Obama will handle these right-wing type attacks, it looks like he passed the test.  It's gone nowhere, the press have railed against it, Obama has stayed on message, Clinton had to back down, Obama comes off looking Presidential.   The republicans will come out us with any shit they can make up no matter who the candidate is, we know that.  But the idea that Obama is either more susceptible or less capable of navigating through those waters has certainly been dispelled the last couple of weeks.  They even turned Hillary's fun line right around against her.  What started with that comment has ended with her canning Shaheen.  From MSNBC's FirstRead:


In the spin room after today's debate, Obama adviser David Axelrod said that Obama had told Clinton today that "leadership came from the top" in regards to negative attacks and campaigning.

Axelrod said that the two senators spoke for about 10 minutes today, during which Clinton apologized for the comments made by her New Hampshire co-chair Billy Shaheen, who told the Washington Post that Obama's past cocaine use would make him vulnerable to GOP attacks. "Senator Obama expressed to Senator Clinton it's important for campaigns to send a signal from the top as to what type of campaign they want to run. If you send a signal that negative campaigning is the fun part of campaigns and treat it as a sport, then you are sending a signal down the line that it's all okay. They have to decide if they want to send a different signal and certainly by asking Mr. Shaheen to leave that would be a different signal," Axelrod said.

Axelrod went on to say that leadership in campaigns "flowed from the top down," and Clinton's previous comments that the "fun starts" when candidates begin to attack each other set a tone that allowing negative attacks were okay.

The announcement of Shaheen's resignation came just fifteen to twenty minutes after Axelrod's comments in the spin room. The Obama campaign has benefited from Shaheen's comments in more ways than one -- by 1) showing the Clinton campaign as anxious to tear down their opponents and 2) as a money making tool among their own supporters. David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, sent out an email requesting supporters to donate to demonstrate their disapproval at Shaheen.


by Piuma on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 07:55:42 PM EST

Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (none / 0)

"leadership came from the top"  

fish rots from the head down, too.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:50:30 PM EST
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Re: Bill Shaheen Steps Down as Clinton Co-Chair (none / 0)

The Republicans are not shamed as easily as our side is, not to mention their smears tend to come through back channels.

If you think it's going to be anywhere near this easy in the general election I believe you're kidding yourself.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 12:27:45 AM EST
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Re: This PC will NOT fly in the General ! (none / 0)

paul begala was asked if obama became the nominee, could he win the general? begala said sure he could win, as could hillary, as could any dem who won the nomination. 2008 is going to be the year of the democrat, he said.

what numbers is he looking at, i wonder.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 09:45:23 PM EST

Re: This PC will NOT fly in the General ! (none / 0)

Any good Democrat should give that answer, in my opinion.  I'd give that answer without having the first clue about the poll numbers.

We can have a conversation about who would have a harder or easier time as the nominee, but nothing bugs me as much as people saying that one of our candidates is flat-out unelectable.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 12:29:01 AM EST
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Re: This PC will NOT fly in the General ! (none / 0)

Any good Democrat should give that answer, in my opinion.

yes it is. especially in light of how far bush has dragged down this country.

but this is a change for paul.
i remember how negatively begala treated howard dean during the o3. taking advantage of his cnn anchor chair to swipe jabs against him.


I really don't understand how that is an attack; lol. ~ by Jerome Armstrong
by jello on Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 01:31:46 AM EST
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