Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary

Though Politico has information up from Pew which says that Hillary would beat Giuliani in the general election not all the data supports that conclusion. The more recent Quinnipiac University study showed the opposite.

Giuliani edges Hillary in a general election match-up 45-43. Obama performs better in his general election heat with Giuliani, Obama edges Giuliani 43-42.

Further, when Hillary matches up well against Thompson winning 46-41, whereas Obama beats Thompson 45-37. They both match-up similarly against McCain and Romney.

This post is mostly meant to be a mockery of the posts which suggest that we can predict the results of an election that is over 12 months away. As Senator Obama said during the most recent debate, "Part of the reason that Republicans, I think, are obsessed with you, Hillary, is because that's a fight they're very comfortable having. It is the fight that we've been through since the '90s."

The question of who will be the strongest general election candidate shouldn't be something that we decide by looking at poll numbers. Which candidate will be the best at letting attacks roll off his/her back without affecting public opinion? Which candidate will be the best at pointing out the Republican candidate's weaknesses without appearing to be too negative?

I know that every candidate's supporters are going to say that it is their candidate who can best respond to Republican attacks, so it is something we will have to disagree on, but we should be able to agree that general election polls don't matter 2 months before the first caucus and one year before the election... even when they reflect well on your candidate (as the above Quinnipiac poll does for mine).


Poll
Do general election polls matter?
Yes
No
If they support Hillary.
If they support my candidate.

Votes: 11
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

Hillary is the strongerst candidate because she can play the gender card all the way to the White House. Trust me, it's gonna work. My signigicant other went ballasitic when Hillary was attacked. Can you imagine when Rudy goes after her, it will be a great female awakening.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 10:54:10 AM EST

Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

Actually the new rasmussen poll has Guiliani beating Obama.

Rudy Giuliani (R)

45%

Barack Obama (D)

43%

He is leading thompson by just 1 point

Barack Obama (D)

44%

Fred Thompson (R)

43%

Nice way to pick a single poll .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 11:00:11 AM EST

Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

Apparently, the point of my post was not communicated effectively. As I said, "This post is mostly meant to be a mockery of the posts which suggest that we can predict the results of an election that is over 12 months away."

There was a poll posted under the heading Clinton creams Giuliani or some such. I was posting this to say that the polls are not all uniform and more importantly they don't matter. But sure, if you want to try to refute polls not mattering with a poll, be my guest.


by Obama08 on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 11:53:24 AM EST
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Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

ok i get your point , you are largely right


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 11:57:59 AM EST
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Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

I don't want to burst your bubble. But here's another poll
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/100 7/6644.html
Clinton would cream Giuliani, poll finds

The most comprehensive Pew poll shows Clinton beating Rudy by 51 to 43.

Another fact, today's Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_2008_1/2008_pr esidential_election/election_2008_obama vs_giuliani_and_thompson

If you mean 2 points behind is loss, here we are


The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani with a very slight edge over Illinois Senator Barack Obama, 45% to 43%. The same survey indicates that Obama is just a single point ahead of former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson, leading him 44% to 43%.

My sense is all the infight within the democratic party has started some slippage of all democratic contenders. According to the three latest Rasmussen polls, Obama/Edwards/Clinton all lose to Rudy by 2-3 points.


by prisonbreak on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 11:01:51 AM EST

Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

See my post above about the point of this post.


by Obama08 on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 11:53:56 AM EST
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Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

This nation has been unable to elect black Governors and Senators, and they will vote for a black President? I doubt so.

I like Obama, but USA is not that fair. (See: Southern and Rural Men)


Long Live America!
by Democrat2008 on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 11:35:18 AM EST

Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

Not sure the NASCAR dads are going to go for Hillary either.


by Bush Bites on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 01:29:30 PM EST
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Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

I think the matchup polls are important in terms of showing that any of our candidates CAN win.  You can argue all day about which candidate is the "most" electable, but it's straight-up bullshit to claim that ANY of our candidates are "unelectable" this cycle.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 11:56:05 AM EST

Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

I to some extent disagree with you even on that. If you look at some of the polls it does not show the potential danger of Mitt Romney getting the nomination. Mitt Romney is a marvelous candidate and very dangerous, very few people outside of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, D.C., and the blogosphere know much about him other than potentially that he is mormon and a candidate for president.


by Obama08 on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 12:33:34 PM EST
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Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

I think matchup polls can provide evidence that a given candidate CAN win.  I'm not sure they can be used to prove the opposite, as your example illustrates.  A candidate without name recognition will always lose in the polls, but that says nothing either way about what might happen a year from now.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 12:46:16 PM EST
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Re: Quinnipiac: Giuliani leads Hillary (none / 0)

And he's prettier than Hillary.


by Bush Bites on Thu Nov 01, 2007 at 01:30:31 PM EST
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